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10 Reasons Females With Arthritic Knees Are Adding Type II Collagen
You have the drawer full of things that were supposed to help. What nobody explained is what arthritis is actually doing inside the joint, and why every one of those things aimed straight past it.
Kirsten Chick, DPT
Orthopedic Physical Therapist · 4 min read
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They told you it was arthritis, handed you the ibuprofen, and said come back when it is bad enough to talk about a new knee.
You did everything in between. The grinding is still there.
REASON 01
Everything you tried was aimed at the pain. Nothing was aimed at where the pain comes from.
Ibuprofen for the bad days. Turmeric because your sister swore by it. A collagen bag half finished in the cupboard. The knee brace for long walks.
And your hands. The pickle jar you hand to your husband without asking any more. The wedding ring that lives on a chain now because it does not go over the knuckle.
None of it was stupid. Every one of those things does a real job. The job was just never the one your joint needed.
Right diagnosis. Wrong target. For years.
REASON 02
Arthritis is quietly drying out the fluid that cushions your knee. That is the grinding you feel.
Inside every joint there is a thin layer of fluid. It is the oil your knee runs on. It is what lets the joint glide instead of grind.
Arthritis changes that fluid. It gets thinner and there is less of it, and as it dries out the cushion goes with it. Now, every step, two surfaces meet that were never meant to touch.
The catch on the stairs. The crunch when you stand. The ache at 3am when you roll over. That is not bone wearing out on its own. That is a joint running dry.
Your knee is not old. It is dry.
REASON 03
That fluid does not just oil the joint. It is the only thing your cartilage eats.
Cartilage has no blood supply. Nothing is delivered to it. The only way it gets fed is by soaking up the fluid around it, every time you move.
So when the fluid dries out, the cushion does not just lose its glide. It starts to starve. And a starving cushion thins.
Cartilage is roughly 60% collagen. Every year the fluid gets thinner, the cushion gives back a little more of what it is made of, and nothing arrives to replace it.
A dry joint is a joint that has stopped feeding itself.
REASON 04
Three things are draining that fluid at the same time, and you cannot switch off a single one of them.
Menopause first. Estrogen helps hold collagen in place and helps the joint stay hydrated, so as it falls, both go with it.
Then arthritis itself, thinning the fluid from the inside.
And age, quietly underneath both. Your body has been making less collagen, and less of the fluid, since your mid twenties.
Three taps open on one small reservoir. You cannot turn them off. You can only refill faster than they drain.
Three forces, one target.
REASON 05
It explains why every single thing you tried fell short, including the ones that half worked.
None of them were stupid. Every one does a real job, and several genuinely helped.
But the problem is a joint running dry and a cushion built from collagen that has stopped being fed. Not one thing on this list puts fluid or collagen back into the joint.
That is why they all failed the same way. They were treating the heat coming off a dry joint, not the dryness. Tap each one.
Side by side, what each one is actually built to do
Every column does something real. Only one is aimed at the fluid and the cushion.
✓ does this~ partly, or indirectly✕ not what it is for
More Than Collagen
Ibuprofen
Turmeric
HRT
Physio
Type I & III collagen
Relief this afternoon
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Supplies the Type II collagen cartilage is built from
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REASON 06
Your cartilage is built from Type II collagen. The bag you bought was Type I and III.
This is the bit that costs women a year.
Collagen is not one thing. Your skin is Type I and III. The cushion in your knee is Type II. They are not the same, and one does not turn into the other.
Almost every bag on the shelf is the skin kind, because that is what sells. It is good at that job.
Turn yours around. If the label says Type I and III, nothing in it was ever aimed at your knee.
You did not fail. The label did.
★★★★★I had two bags of the skin kind in the cupboard. Turned one over. Type I and III, exactly like this says. Eight weeks on the right one and jar lids, toothpaste caps and the dog's leash are all mine again. My wedding ring is back on my finger, not on the chain.
Tara · 8 weeks
REASON 07
You took collagen and your knees still hurt. It was the wrong kind. Here is the right one, and the number behind it.
Even the little Type II out there is usually cooked. Heat breaks it into fragments, and Type II only works while it is whole, because your body has to recognise the shape of it.
Ours is UC-II. Undenatured, never heated, so it survives your stomach and reaches the gut intact, where the immune system reads it and eases off the cartilage.
And the dose is small on purpose. 40mg a day. That is the amount used in the research.
★★★★★Six months of glucosamine did nothing. I was on the waiting list for my left knee. At my six month review the surgeon looked at the new scan, then at the old one, and asked what I had changed. I am still on the list. I am just not in a hurry any more.
Gill · 6 months
Randomised trial · knee joint scores (WOMAC) · 90 daysMore than double the result, at a sixtieth of the dose.
UC-II · 40mg a day33% better
Glucosamine + chondroitin · 2,700mg a day14% better
REASON 08
A dry joint gets angry. So there is more in the scoop than collagen, and MSM is in there for the swelling.
When the fluid thins, the joint lining reacts. Heat, swelling, the ache that sits there after you have stopped moving.
Feeding the cartilage is the long game. The swelling is today. So MSM goes in the same scoop, a natural sulphur compound your body uses in cartilage and connective tissue, to help calm the joint while the collagen does the slower work.
Then curcumin for the same job from a second angle, hyaluronic acid to help the joint hold water, and vitamin C, because without it your body cannot build collagen out of anything you give it.
★★★★★The swelling after a day on my feet was the worst part. Hot knees, sitting on the sofa with them up. That settled first, around week three. Week four I put my socks on standing up. I did not cry, but close.
Sandra · 4 weeks
Step 1Feed it🦴
UC-II · 40mg
Whole Type II collagen, never heated, so your body recognises it and eases off the cushion.
sothe cartilage starts getting fed again.
sothe stairs stop being something you plan around.
Step 2Cool it🔥
MSM + curcumin
Two natural compounds that calm the heat coming off a dry joint, from two directions.
sothe swelling settles while the collagen does the slow work.
soyou sit through a whole film without your knee reminding you it is there.
Step 3Oil it💧
Hyaluronic acid
The main ingredient of the joint fluid itself. Helps the joint hold on to its water.
sothe two surfaces glide instead of grind.
sogetting out of the chair goes quiet again.
Step 4Build it🍊
Vitamin C + 8g Type I & III
The tool your body needs to assemble any collagen at all, plus material for the tendons around the joint.
sowhat you take actually gets used, instead of passing through.
sothe jar opens, and the ring goes back on your finger.
Step 5Hold it up🦴
D3 · K2 · Calcium
The bone under a thinning cushion is thinning too. This is the half nobody sold you.
sothe frame under the joint stays solid.
soa wobble on the kerb stays a wobble, not a fall.
So we built one scoop that covers all of it.
Both kinds of collagen. The vitamin C your body needs to actually use them. Hyaluronic acid for the fluid. MSM and curcumin for the swelling. Vitamin D3, K2 and calcium for the bone. Fourteen months to fit it all into one scoop.
Undenatured Type IIMulti collagenVitamin CD3 · K2 · CalciumMSMHyaluronic acidAstaxanthinCurcumin
REASON 09
You are inside the window where this is still cheap to fix
If nothing changes
In 6 monthsThe ibuprofen stops being for bad days and becomes a routine.
In a yearYou have quietly stopped doing the things that hurt, so the muscle around the joint goes too.it compounds
In 2 yearsThe ring stays on the chain. The jars get handed over before anyone asks.
In 3 yearsYou are the one who waits at the bottom of the stairs.
In 5 yearsA new knee costs $30,000 to $50,000, and $3,000 to $8,000 of it is yours even with insurance. Plus three months of your life, and a revision clock starts.
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If you start today
Week 1One scoop in your morning drink. That is the whole job.nothing else changes
Week 4 to 6The first twenty minutes of the day stop being a negotiation.
Week 8You go down the stairs without thinking about it first.retest your number here
Month 3You get on the floor with a grandchild and back up, and the only thing in your head is the kid.
A year from nowYou are the one still carrying things, not the one being helped.
Cost: under a dollar a dayWith today's Buy 1 Get 1 offer. Less than the ibuprofen habit it replaces.
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REASON 10
You can test it against us in 8 weeks, with a number you write down yourself, and send the bag back empty if it fails
You have two abandoned bags in a cupboard already. You have every right to assume this is the third.
So do not take our word for it. Take a measurement.
Tomorrow morning, time how many minutes your knees take to loosen up. Or count the steps you get before they start talking. Write that number on the fridge. One scoop a day, then retest at week eight. If the number has not moved, email us and send the bag back. It can be completely empty. We refund every penny.
Worst case you are out nothing but eight weeks you were going to spend stiff anyway.
★★★★★I did exactly this. My physio measured my knee bend at 95 degrees in March. In June it was 120. She made me do it twice because she did not believe the first one.
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Straight answers
What you bought was almost certainly Type I and III, formulated for skin and hair. Cartilage is Type II. Turn the old bag around, and if there is no whole, undenatured Type II on that label then nothing in it was ever aimed at your knee.
It is not a treatment for arthritis and we will not pretend it is. What it does is supply the material the cushion is built from, in the form your body can recognise, plus what the joint needs to hold on to its fluid. Customers describe their joints feeling looser, quieter and more willing over two to three months. Your doctor stays your doctor.
It is food derived collagen, vitamins and minerals. Nothing to stop, nothing to switch, and it sits alongside HRT, painkillers and anti inflammatories the way any food would. Mention it at your next appointment as you would anything else you add.
The fluid and the cartilage in your fingers are the same tissue as in your knee, just smaller. Knees are where most women feel it first because they carry the weight. Hands are the thing customers most often tell us about, because the jar lid and the ring are so easy to notice.
Nothing in the first two weeks, and we would rather tell you that now than have you quit at week three feeling misled. Morning stiffness is usually the first thing to shift, somewhere around week four to six. Stairs, floors and walking distance tend to land at two to three months.
Keep the appointment. We would never tell you to cancel anything your surgeon has planned. Some customers on a list have told us the wait felt very different once the morning stiffness eased, and a few have chosen to push their date back. That is a conversation for you and your surgeon, not for us.
Each bag is 13 servings, one scoop a day. The eight week test needs 56 servings, so the 3+3 bundle is the one that covers it properly with a buffer. The smaller bundles are a fair way to start, but you will need to reorder before the eight weeks are up.
Anyone wanting fast pain relief, because this is not a painkiller. Anyone with inflammatory or autoimmune arthritis expecting it to treat the underlying disease. And vegetarians and vegans, because collagen is animal derived.
Email us within 60 days and we refund every penny. The bag can be completely empty. Nothing to post back, no form, no reason required.
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Linda DoyleSix months of glucosamine. Two bottles of turmeric. Nothing. My daughter found this and I rolled my eyes, then by week ten I was on the floor with my granddaughter and got up without thinking about it. That's the part I love. It was normal.
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Bev MarchettiLinda how long before you noticed anything? I'm 3 weeks in and starting to wonder
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Linda DoyleHonestly nothing for the first fortnight. Mornings were the first thing to shift for me, around week 5. Stick with it.
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Gloria MendelAn hour of morning stiffness down to about ten minutes by month three. I was told at 58 it was osteoarthritis and to come back when I was ready to talk about surgery. Nobody said a word about the fluid. Wish I'd read this two years ago.
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Victoria MearsI went to Spain for two weeks and left the bag on the kitchen counter. By day nine my knees were talking to me again. I didn't really believe it was doing anything until I stopped.
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Sharron KeeleyMy husband noticed before I did. He said I'd stopped making the noise getting out of a chair
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Rosa JarrettKneeling in the garden and getting back up without grabbing the fence. That's it. That's the review.
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Jean HollisMy hands were the thing that frightened me. They used to feel like rust in the morning, like they needed oiling before they would open properly. I am making tea at six now without thinking about it.
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Ellen FaradayNobody talks about the sleep part. I used to wake at 3am every single time I rolled onto that hip. It stopped somewhere around week five and I did not even notice until my husband pointed out I had slept through.
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Carol BrightIn March I could not open a jam jar. My rings fit again too, which I was not expecting and cannot explain.
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Denise RowntreeI am 61. Told to lose weight, take the ibuprofen, and we'll talk about a new knee in a few years. Did the weight, did the ibuprofen, knee still crunched on every step. Reading this was the first time anyone explained what was actually going on in there.
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Pauline AshworthDoes anyone know if you can take this with HRT? My GP was not much help.
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Margaret WhitlockPauline I am on HRT and have taken it alongside since February, no issues at all. Worth asking your own doctor though. HRT never touched the joint part for me, that is why I looked for something else.
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Nina RashfordMy daughter noticed before I did. She said mum, you came up the drive without stopping. I had not even registered that I used to stop.
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These statements have not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration. This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure or prevent any disease. More Than Collagen is a dietary supplement and is not a substitute for medical advice. Speak to your healthcare provider about persistent joint pain, and before adding any supplement alongside prescription medication. Customer results shown are individual experiences and are not typical.
The study behind the numbers
Crowley et al., 2009. Safety and efficacy of undenatured type II collagen in the treatment of osteoarthritis of the knee: a clinical trial. International Journal of Medical Sciences, indexed on PubMed Central (NIH).
52 people, 90 days. 40mg UC-II a day versus 1,500mg glucosamine plus 1,200mg chondroitin a day. WOMAC scores fell 33% in the UC-II group and 14% in the glucosamine group. Balmve was not involved in the study.